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I never said any of that. Their could be proof, i don't know. The first ammendment basically says we aren't a christian nation, since it kinda allows you to practice whatever religion you want. i really don't see where you are coming from. Sure, there are some religious extremists that believe this stuff, but the general population? Sorry, just not the case.

you misinterped what i meant my question was "is this what you mean" question when you said "we cant believe.....?"
yes we are not a christian nation by what we are founded on and yes we are allowed to practice whatever religion you want. however religion is stepping into government and creating religious laws(for ex. gay marriage, no beer on sunday morining or all day sunday) and nobody is really doing anything about it even thou it is being reveresed very slowly. i say yes the general pop. says that this is a "christian nation" but that is my general pop. i say that because you may live in a place where it is less likly to be heard but if you go by america then yes by the study that was done on religious and IQ.

the more religious you are the lower your IQ is what the test found out so the area that is less religious would be a little bit of the northeast, the west coast, and few northwest that border canada.

yes it doesnt say this is one religion but it can, and to be clear im not saying anybody is dumb or whatnot this is general ok

IF THEY CAME OUT WITH MLB POWER PROS 2009,AND WE GOT EXCLUSIVE COPYS?!?!?!?!!?!?

Let's try to get back on topic...

If everybody who signed the petition got free copies of MLBPP09.

That would defeat the purpose of them making the game. And what we're trying to prove with the petition.

all i'm going to say about this whole debate is Angels & Demons (the book)

I wonder why rich people want lower taxes on them when they know it's going to hurt the country overall.

We are a Christian nation. I don't know who told you we aren't. If you look at our culture, the majority of the population has some kind of religion and usually it's of christian descent.

The more you are the lower your IQ is...?

That's odd. My IQ hovers around 144 and guess what? I'm religious. I know a ton of non-religious people with a lower IQ. I went to high school and college with a bunch of atheists. I scored higher than most of them. I know this because my professors believed that grades shouldn't be kept private, so he published them. Stay away from the Harvard garbage.

Religion is stepping into government...? I agree, but you're over exaggerating. Gays can't get married because of religion? I have news for you buddy, even ATHEISTS were voting yes on banning gay marriage. It's not a religious law, it's a moral law. I don't want gays to be married, but my religion states they can be. I don't agree with that. Sleeping with a guy when your a guy or a girl when your a girl is just immoral and disgusting. The penis is meant to be inserted into the vagina, not the ass, and your fist doesn't belong in a vagina either. I remember the fisting craze at ASU. My brother was telling me about it because he was attending ASU.

Most of the founding fathers were Free Masons, such as myself. We are Deist, but I have news for you, being deist doesn't mean you don't believe in God. We believe in a supreme being who created us and everything else, what we refer to him as makes no difference to us. Ask any mason, he'll tell you he doesn't what you call God, whether it's Allah or Piginfeet. We don't care.

Theodore Roosevelt, who many credit as a man just as important as the founding fathers, because of his work, was protestant. He expressed how much he loved God and his country many times. In fact, I remember reading in one of his biographies that he was involved in the church as much or more so than any other president before or after him... are you trying to say we should throw him out of the history books because (and he did) advocate the teaching of the bible and creationism in schools?



What about Abraham Lincoln? He was a religious man. He may have been deist, but as I stated in this post earlier, being deist doesn't mean your not religious like you're trying to say it does.

Before you bring up separation of state and church, figure this: it's gone a long way since it's original intentions. I've seen local law enforcement stop churches from giving away meals to the poor. I questioned an officer on it before and he told me that because it was off church property, they were breaking the law, because of separation of state and church. Jefferson never wanted it to be like that. He wanted separation of state and church to be more like how it was then. A religion cannot influence government decisions. You and your liberal friends have taken that way out of context and now have forbidden judges from wearing crosses or displaying the Ten Commandments in their courthouses because it offends people. That's separation of state and church for you.




How is it going to hurt the country? What gives the government the right to tax any body's income anyway? The sixteenth amendment? Let me tell you something about that great amendment we got right there, it punishes people, much like the sales tax. People who make 500,000 dollars a year are entitled to that entire 500,500. If someone makes 5,000 dollars a year, they are entitled to that 5,000 dollars. It's the same if someone is a multi-millionaire.

Taxes punish. If we didn't have the income tax, more middle class people would become upper class, and lower class would become middle class. That's why a lot of people don't get jobs when they can work, by the way. They have the mentality that if they aren't going to see all of it, who cares. You plug in forty hours a week, but only see thirty hour's pay? That's not worth it.

Also, your telling me that if you were rich, you would want higher taxes? Your a moron if you think you would. Taxes don't help the country, they punish the country. We're becoming more and more like the Soviet Union. You may make 500,000 dollars a year, but 450,000 of it is going to go to the government. Everybody needs to make the same amount, which is what you're trying to suggest.

well, it's not exactly going hurt the country, but it's going to hurt all the lower-class and lower-middle class people by having more money taken away from them when they're struggling to make a living. *coughbadcougheconomycoughunemploymentcough*
and just tell the "we are becoming more like the soviet union" thing to the people (AAH! COMMUNISTS!) and they'll freak.
but we aren't communist, and we have obama, so we can't go wrong.
we just need to trick people into thinking the economy's on the rise, so then they'll spend more confidently, which will restimulate the economy.

We can't go wrong with Barack boy? He spent more money in his first fifty days than the country has in it's entire history. I'm serious. It's not getting us anywhere either. My children and grandchildren are in debt because of him.

As for tricking people into thinking the economy is better, good luck. People are smart in recessions. The only people who are dumb enough to believe that is hard-line socialists like Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank. However, Frank and Pelosi wouldn't believe such a fairytale but most of their supporters would.

And to respond to your first statement, the government SHOULDN'T be taking more money from lower and middle class because the rich aren't paying as much. It didn't happen under Bush. Richer people had lower taxes to and my taxes didn't go up. I'm middle class, by the way. We probably are under Obama, it wouldn't surprise me under any anti-capitalist liberal.

I like the sarcasm, though. Do they have the Obama posters everywhere in your school like they do at my son's?

i was talking more on the foundtion of the country that we are not a christian nation. yes 88% of the people are christians so if you want to take it fine.



(sigh) did you read the last line i said it was GENERAL so yeah you have dumb and smart religious people and atheist



yes it is a moral issue but i see more religious people complain then atheist and it shouldnt since its segeration which is against the law



i know what a deist is, im just tired of people saying they were christians when they werent



why would i take him out thats not what im arguing about im arguring about people adding stuff in thats incorrect but satisfys there religioun. i would if they wanted to add creationism in school then make it an ellective not mandory



yes lincoln was a deist. the church thing i dont why they got in trouble the only thing i can thing way is maybe they were doing it in a park which is gov property, or they didnt have permits at the park (you know need permits for every thing these days) but if they did it at the church or everything is in order with paper work then i have no idea why they did that.
dont call me a liberal, im not a liberal, im dont have a party, i dont want a party, i vote the person not the party. the last line there thats not taking context to far cause showing a religion and basing your jugdement on your own religion is wrong because its not judgement on reason thats what he meant ON REASON but if you get up tight about it then add all the religions, appeal to everyone and make judgement on reason i have no problem with it

I still don't get where you are coming from. Just becuase we are currently a largely christian nation, doesn't mean we were founded as one. If what you say is correct (which i believe it is) then we were found on diest, Mason beliefs that certain things are too great to be left to one person (forgive the possibly inaccurate National Treasure reference) Still, all men are created equal, so i don't see the need for a dispute when the basic principle is identical.

im not saying we were founded as one, we were not founded as a christian nation but for some reason there trying to change and say it was when it wasnt. i think you got the line perfectly and national treasure is one of my favorite movies

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