Offseason Winners so far

DrMario · **Posted:** Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:59 am

Pirates would never accept a trade including Lowell and Lugo. Unless it included prospects.

I understand that switching is hard, but not impossible. Upton made the change wonderfully. Now Lowell might now be able to but who knows?

DrK · **Posted:** Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:49 pm

Orlando might be signing with the A's....

stevenjackson39 · **Posted:** Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:59 pm

how about the phils, getting moyer back, a little more depth at pitcher with park, and ibanez?

cownip wrote:

Red Sox haven't done anything so far. There have only been 2 teams to make major deals, and that was the Yankees and the Mets. The Yankees definetly have been the most successful with CC and AJ though. The Royals have done a very nice job with making a few, nice small trades. The mets also made a great, brilliant trade for Puts. With so many players and 3 teams, such a trade is very impressive and well orchestrated. Have the A's signed anyone yet? I think they will sign Giambi.

They got Holliday.
also, the giants got jeremy affeldt, josh phelps (not that good, i know), and edgar renteria.

Longball714 · **Posted:** Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:18 pm

Phillies did make some deals, but in my opinion, they were actually quite questionable. For example, signing Ibanez was a waste - he's marginally better defensively than Burrell (which is still horrible), Ibanez bats left-handed (practically the entire Phillies lineup is lefty now), he's 5 years older, and the Phillies gave him a 3 year, $30 million contract? That's just stupid when you consider that Ibanez and Burrell are practically identical players, but Ibanez is 5 years older and the Phillies gave him 3 guaranteed years when they could have signed Burrell for 1 year. The only positive that the Phillies gain is a good personality, but Burrell was hardly Manny Ramirez in Boston.

The Phillies also re-signed Jamie Moyer, which, in my opinion, was also stupid. When a really old player has a good season, it is almost guaranteed that the next season won't be very successful. Signing Derek Lowe instead would give them a dependable, consistent #1 or #2 pitcher, and still give them the veteran leadership that Moyer had. And Lowe is 10 years younger.

DrMario · **Posted:** Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:27 pm

They resigned Moyer more as a teacher for next year.

You figure you can get 1 year out Ibanez's contract as a definite, then that's 20mil left. Makes him easier to trade for some prospects, you get for 2 years, only 10mil left. If you take him for all 3 years... Not sure.

dcmcderm · **Posted:** Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:32 pm

Tex is a Yankee. I guess that pretty much puts an end to this debate. Yankees devoured the free agent market.

cownip · **Posted:** Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:22 pm

What a brilliant job by Cashman. I can understand any hatred towards the Yankees right now, I would probably hate em' too if they weren't my team.

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