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 Post subject: Rafael Montero - SP - Mets (Wii)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:31 pm 
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Next on my list is one of the Mets Top Prospects, Rafael Montero. He came up last season, but struggled mightily. Hopefully he has a bounceback season next year. Here is a picture I took of a scouting report on him:


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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Montero - SP Mets - Wii (Planning)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:35 pm 
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I think 95 is his zenith (big word, eh) of his top speed, I watched highlights of him and that's what I've seen him hit. So here's what I'm thinking:
Top Speed: 95
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Sinker 1-2
Changeup 1-2
Slider 2-3 (What I consider his best pitch)

I'll read some more scouting reports on him but before I start, I'd like some feedback. Phillies, you have anything to add? robhallett, did you make a version? AOW, others? Thanks in advance!

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Montero - SP - Mets (Wii)
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fangraphs has a SLD/CHG as his secondaries.

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Montero works 90-94, hitting 95 mph with a slider and changeup that both flash solid average and play up due to his above average command. His slider is a little more advanced than his changeup, which he doesn’t always throw as often as he should. Montero is a flyball guy that needs to have good command to limit damage done via the home run and will rely on high pop-up rates to do this and keep his rotation spot.

Summation: Montero isn’t an upside play, but rather a close to ready-made #4 starter that likely doesn’t break camp in the big league rotation. He’ll probably start in the bullpen but be first to take an open rotation spot.

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Montero is yet another hard thrower coming up fast through the minor league system. Montero has a lean and mean mound presence, not unlike the young Pedro Martinez, and he has the electric stuff to live up to that comp. Montero brings a mid-90's fastball that's solid and accurate, but it's the advanced nature of his secondary pitches (especially the wicked slider and sometimes-plus change) that frustrates hitters. And my, how those hitters do get frustrated.

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He has always been a big strike-thrower (career 1.7 BB/9) with an effortless delivery, throwing low-90s fastballs, low-80s sliders and low-80s changeups like they are a walk in the park. All of the attention is on Noah Syndergaard and rightfully so, but Montero is an excellent pitching prospect in his own right and he should make his MLB debut hit summer.

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Montero has achieved minor league success with solid-but-unspectacular stuff. He doesn’t have a plus pitch, but at his best he has three average pitches he can throw with above-average control and average command—and very few minor league pitchers have present average command. Over the last few weeks, Montero hasn’t been as fine with his control as he usually is. Pitching from the extreme glove-side of the rubber, he’s generally able to locate his fastball to both the arm and glove side of the plate with some sink. He’s shown the ability to cut his fastball to give hitters another look. But recently he’s been missing his target, never badly, but just enough to fail to get the strike zone on pitches that usually catch the black. Even in his last outing, where he allowed no hits in 5 1/3 innings, he would have had a more dominant outing if the umpire had a slightly more generous strike zone.

Montero’s average changeup is good enough to keep lefthanders honest, but his long-term development will revolve around how his slider develops. At its best, it’s a solid-average pitch, but it’s more erratic than his changeup. Given his excellent control and three average pitches, Montero’s strengths are a better fit as a starter than a reliever. Montero may face an adjustment period at the outset of his big league career, but over the course of the season, he should be a starter whose strong command should allow him to help in WHIP, while not hurting a team in ERA. He probably won’t pile up all that many wins or strikeouts, profiling more as a No. 4 starter.

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Montero's calling card in the minors has been his outstanding control. Although his walk rate has ticked up this year in a small sample, every previous season in the minors, Montero was able to throw all three of his offerings for strikes. You wouldn't think so to watch him pitch, given that there is some effort in the delivery and he falls off to the first base side after every pitch, but Montero repeats incredibly well and somehow makes it all work. The walk rate has ballooned to over 10% this year, but even when he 'struggles' with his control, he is always around the zone. Montero is better at locating down-and-away to both sides of the plate than any Mets pitching prospect since Yusmeiro Petit. And unlike Petit, Montero features a fastball that sits a tick above average for a right-handed starter. Montero can also elevate the pitch when needed, and cut it a bit when he is trying to locate gloveside (inside to left-handed batters). It's not a special pitch in terms of velocity or movement. It sits 91-93, though he can reach back for more, and when he's working armside, it can be a bit flat (Montero conceals this by working from the extreme first-base side of the rubber), but his command is so good it makes the pitch an easy plus offering.

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Montero - SP - Mets (Wii)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:54 pm 
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WOW :shock: . Thanks for all those reports :lol: .
So, now C control and D stamina? That's what I'm thinking as he doesn't go that deep into ballgames

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Montero - SP - Mets (Wii)
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Montero works off his fastball with a slider and change-up, and neither is going to make scouts perk up and take notice. The slider is his primary secondary offering and it has improved since my last live look at him in early 2013. However, Montero's command of the slider lags well behind his fastball. He has to change the shape of it when he wants to spot it for a strike, and then it tends to show itself early. He can get Triple-A hitters to swing through those, or at worst foul them off, but those are the kind of offerings MLB hitters drive. When Montero wants to use it as a chase pitch to put guys away, he has trouble starting it in the zone, making it easy to lay off. And overall the pitch tends to be sweepy with more tail than depth. The change-up is the better present-day secondary offering, but it's nothing special. Montero maintains his arm speed well on the pitch, and it has some armside hop to it (rather than fade), but he doesn't really turn it over much and has trouble getting it down. Better left-handed hitters should be able to work it the other way. When I watched Montero in Binghamton, I was shocked at his ability to get called strikes deep in counts against Double-A hitters.
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He got more called strikes two and three based solely on fastball location than you would expect at that level. I didn't think that would work at higher levels, but then it doesn't usually work in the Eastern League either. It appears that it is finally starting to catch up to him in Las Vegas. The K-rate is still pretty good, though it has declined from Binghamton and St. Lucie, but he is seeing a lot more foul balls deeper in counts, (and thus working deeper counts) where he previously would have put guys away with fastballs on the black. Without a go-to offspeed offering that major league hitters have to respect, Montero may have even more trouble putting away guys with just fastball command.
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One of the reasons Montero was called up to replace Jenrry Mejia in the Mets rotation is that Mejia just wasn't holding his stuff deep into games and struggled to get through 6. Montero also doesn't have the same onerous innings limit as Mejia. The expectation is that Montero will be much more efficient than Mejia, but I don't know that will be the case. I certainly expect him to throw more strikes than Mejia, but he doesn't have the same ability to put away major league hitters. I could see some John Maineish starts in his future where he doesn't really walk a lot of guys, but still finds himself up over 100 pitches sometime in the sixth inning. He's probably going to be more of a pitch-to-contact guy at the major league level, at least until the breaking ball approves, but it's the quality of that contact that will determine how successful he is in 2014.
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Montero will probably draw some comparisons to Dillon Gee, based on his command/control profile, but I think Bartolo Colon is the better figure to look to in the Mets rotation. Like Colon, and unlike Gee, Montero is going to throw his fastball a lot. And like both Gee and Colon, Montero is a pretty extreme flyball pitcher. He's going to be reliant on the Mets outfield defense, which for once isn't a bad thing, to get him deep into games, as I don't see the repertoire for him to light up the K-counter. When it works, you get Colon's good seasons. When it doesn't, well just look at Colon this year. I don't expect Montero to get shelled (though I would expect a few starts where the longball hurts him), but I don't see a guy that is ready right now to come in and pitch to that mid-rotation projection. But if he can gives the Mets some length and pitches to around a 4.00 ERA, I think they will be happy with their swap.


to condense the quotes, read these whole reports too.
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2013/5/21/4 ... ing-report
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2013/10/22/ ... ing-report
http://dynastysportsempire.com/prospect ... l-montero/

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Montero - SP - Mets (Wii)
PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:57 pm 
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Holy crap, thanks so much. So like any blue/red abilites I should go for?

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Montero - SP - Mets (Wii)
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I looked at fan graphs:

Top Speed: 95.5 --> bump it up to 96 if you want
Control: 110-120 (hard to tell)
Stamina: 120-135 (5.375 innings per start in MLB, don't worry I ONLY calculated the starts)

2-Seam Fastball 1
Slider 2-3
Changeup 1-2
I didn't see a sinker on fangraphs

Yes, I understand we have a very limited access to stats, so let's not over do it with the abilities:
Recovery 4 - As always
Lefties rock him .294 BA in MLB, righties .214 BA, might want to get VS Lefty 2
His BB/9 in 2014: minors--> 3.7 and in the majors --> 4.7, so walk might work, and his WHIP was high in the majors so that ability seems like a good fit
Groundball pitcher- No, groundball % was 33.9% in the majors
Poise 4 - No
Spin 4 - No
Fastball Life 4 - No, hitters have a .252 BA against it
His strand rate was 82.4% in the MLB (could drop if he played more) I think W/RISP 4 is a no
Release 4 - No clue, I'd leave it at Release 3

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Montero - SP - Mets (Wii)
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Thanks jag123jg, I was thinking of giving him Walk, I noticed watching him this year that the main reason why he doesn't go deep into games is because he walks a ton of batters. I also think the 2SFB could be his Sinker.

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Montero - SP - Mets (Wii)
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I also think the 2SFB could be his Sinker.

No problem, and that's what I was thinking ^. But I'd wait for another opinion to come in before you start him because we don't have that much to go off of

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Montero - SP - Mets (Wii)
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I also think the 2SFB could be his Sinker.

No problem, and that's what I was thinking ^. But I'd wait for another opinion to come in before you start him because we don't have that much to go off of

well I was thinking of starting him around noon tomorrow but I'll wait...

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 Post subject: Re: Rafael Montero - SP - Mets (Wii)
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Don't give him Walk. It says multiple times in the reports that his command and strike throwing is where he excels.

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My Rafael Montero was very similar. I also gave mine a slurve (1) as the write ups I saw of him mentioned a slider sort if curve and the harder slider. I also gave mine spin 2 as those same writers felt that the fastball was quite ahead of his secondary offerings.


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I would give him release 2. In 80 minor league starts he had 30 stolen bases against, and definitely no Gd Pick off either.


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I would give him release 2. In 80 minor league starts he had 30 stolen bases against, and definitely no Gd Pick off either.

rob, could you please post yours? I always look to yours as a guide... Also, is there any other way to get release 2 than through the Patty Arc?

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Don't give him Walk. It says multiple times in the reports that his command and strike throwing is where he excels.

Yeah, sorry, I was a bit too tired and lazy to read the reports last night :lol:

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