A question/Figuring Out the Greats

Eric Davis 44 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:55 pm

dishnetkid wrote:

I'm looking at the Pirates AAA website, and I have a few suggestions on who it might be:

Steven Jackson
Juan Mateo
Daniel McCutcheon
Ty Taubenheim

You could definitely use Bennett to make one of those guys, but Taubenheim has 2 ys experience, Jackson has 0, Mateo was with the Cubs organization when the game was released and McCutcheon was with the Yankees until the Ohlendorf trade.

dishnet34 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:56 pm

So chances are it's Jackson?

Eric Davis 44 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:06 pm

dishnetkid wrote:

So chances are it's Jackson?

No, because Great Bennett has one year of previous experience. So far, Sean Burnett is the closest fit - he spent part of one season in the bigs prior to 2008 and he had logged more than a few innings in 2008 when the game was released - but he's left-handed and Bennett is right-handed. Maybe they just got it wrong?

EDIT:
Virgil Vazquez fits the bill . . . but he was with Detroit when the game was released.

I just finished combing the entire list of pitchers born in 1982 with major league experience through 2008. Since there isn't a single guy who fits all the criteria (experience, birth year, handedness, team), it would seem Great Bennett was ultimately intended to be Sean Burnett and MLBPP just got his handedness wrong.

DrMario · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:17 pm

Virgil does fit in very well, except for what you have Eric, but also he has impeccable control. Sean Burnett does as well, so 70 control seems to low to be any of them really... I know MLBPP sometimes under/over rates people.

However we musn't forget this, look at the hitting stats for great Bennett, Contact is 8 and his Power was 96. Burnett isn't that good of a hitter, is he?

Also, Sean Burnett is "white", while the Great Bennett in this game is "black".

I don't think this is Sean Burnett. It also seems very unlikely that they would mess-up his handeness.

It can't be Virgil because he was still a Tiger when the game released as you said Eric. But I don't think it's Sean either beacause of color of skin and possibly hitting stats.

dishnet34 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:20 pm

You can edit skin color, too. Besides, Great Harris on the Rockies could be Ian Stewart, but he's black in this game, so you can edit that.

DrMario · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:25 pm

This has nothing to do with editing skin color, it's the fact that you have seemed to conclude Bennett is Sean Burnett, but Burnett is "white" while Bennett is "black".

I think, Great Bennett is Yoslan Herrera, he's a starter, and "black" but the problem is that Yoslan was born in 1981.

I'm saying, I think we need to re-visit this and figure it out. To be honest the suspense is killing me.

Eric Davis 44 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:40 pm

Most of the Great players look nothing like thier real life counterparts, so forget about skin color - I'm pretty sure Kevin Millar was black and Barry Bonds was white in the 2007 version, and 2008 is no different in that regard.

There are three probibilities:

1) It's Sean Burnett, add they got the handedness wrong.
2) It's Yoslan Herrera, and they got the birthdate wrong.
3) The designers, needing another pitcher for the Pirates roster, created a fictional player and put him in the game.

Whatever you want him to be, that's what he should be. In my game, he's Sean Burnett. Fact is, I can edit handedness but I can't edit the birthyear.

jacobye46 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:43 pm

I made him Sean Burnett and put him on the nationals

I also made him Virgil Vazquez because everything is the same except he didn't play for the pirates when power pros came out

Longball714 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:58 pm

dishnetkid wrote:

If you had a team, which Great players would you choose?

Also, Great Paulino (Reds) has a 4 DCB, with FB Life 4 and Spin 4.

LightningMan117 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:42 pm

Ok, I'm confused. :lol:

Who are these "Great" players? Could someone please explain to me who these guys are? :hmmwell:

nats+expos05 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:44 pm

great johnson is a "great"

a great is a player in this game who's first name is great

you can find out more in the indentifying the greats thread which is somewhere in 2008 general discussion

LightningMan117 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:59 pm

Ok i get it. :lol:

there players that aren't in the players union so they a re replaced with "Great (insert name here)"

DrMario · **Posted:** Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:56 pm

Eric Davis 44 wrote:

Most of the Great players look nothing like thier real life counterparts, so forget about skin color - I'm pretty sure Kevin Millar was black and Barry Bonds was white in the 2007 version, and 2008 is no different in that regard.

There are three probibilities:

1) It's Sean Burnett, add they got the handedness wrong.
2) It's Yoslan Herrera, and they got the birthdate wrong.
3) The designers, needing another pitcher for the Pirates roster, created a fictional player and put him in the game.

Whatever you want him to be, that's what he should be. In my game, he's Sean Burnett. Fact is, I can edit handedness but I can't edit the birthyear.

The Barry Bonds was black, Millar was black too. I made it Sean Burnett as well vbut also made it Virgil Vasquez.

Now if you take a look at Burnett and Herrera stats you'll that Herrera has many more starts both at majors and minors than burnett. s that could indicate it's Herrera beacause Bennett has B stamina.

jacobye46 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:06 pm

also, I think there is another great that is wrong

bgarrett7 wrote:

I took some notes on the Greats last night and this morning, so there is some room for error, that's why I have so many RH/LH notes.

Code:

GREAT   TEAM   POS   MLB IDENTITY   NOTE
Reyes   BOS   C   George Kottaras   
Harris   BOS   C   Dusty Brown   
Lopez   BOS   1B   Chris Carter (?)   I've got Lopez being RH, but Carter is LH.
Gordon   NYY   3B   Wilson Betemit   
Guillen   TOR   P   Gustavo Chacin   
Johnson   BAL   1B   Kevin Millar   
Thompson   BAL   P   Jamie Walker   
Santana   CLE   2B   Josh Barfield   
Soriano   CLE   P   Brian Slocum (?)   
Sanchez   CLE   P   Edward Mujica (?)   
Roberts   DET   P   Francisco Cruceta (?)   
Lowe   MIN   C   Jose Morales   
Byrd   MIN   2B   Alexi Castilla   
Sweeney   MIN   P   Glen Perkins   
Hart   CWS   LF/3B   Josh Fields   
Floyd   CWS   OF   Jerry Owens   
Snyder   CWS   P   Andrew Sisco   
Lee   CWS   P   Charlie Haeger (?)   
Bautista   CWS   P   Lance Broadway (?)   
Miller   KCR   P   Ron Mahay   
Molina   KCR   1B   Ryan Shealy   
Jimenez   KCR   P   Kyle Davies   
Cordero   KCR   P   Ryan Braun   
Baker   SEA   C   Rob Johnson   
Martinez   SEA   CF   Jeremy Reed   
Cruz   SEA   P   Cha Seung Baek   
Castro   OAK   P   Dan Meyer   
Ross   CHC   RF   Sam Fuld (?)   I've got Ross being RH, but Fuld is LH.
Duncan   CHC   P   Neal Cotts   
Scott   MIL   LF   Mel Stocker (?)   Birth years don't match up.
Shields   MIL   P   Zach Johnson   
Burke   HOU   CF   Yordany Ramirez   
Romero   HOU   P   Fernando Nieve (?)   Could be Moore, as well.
Moore   HOU   P   Chad Reineke (?)   Has no ML experience.
Kennedy   CIN   SS   Alex Gonzalez   
Escobar   CIN   C   Ryan Hanigan   
Abreu   CIN   C   Craig Tatum   
Aybar   CIN   P   Gary Majewski   
Paulino   CIN   P   Homer Bailey   
Speier   PIT   RF   Kevin Thompson   
Suzuki   PIT   RF   Steven Pearce   
Bennett   PIT   P   Ty Taubenheim (?)   Birth years don't match up.
Matsui   PIT   P   Yoslan Herrera (?)   
Vazquez   ARI   2B   Emilio Bonifacio   
Flores   ARI   P   Billy Buckner   
Ortiz   ARI   P   Emiliano Fruto   
Clark   COL   P   Matt Herges   
Weeks   COL   1B   Joe Koshansky (?)   I've got Weeks being RH, but Koshansky is LH.
Harris   COL   3B   Ian Stewart (?)   I've got Harris being RH, but Steward is LH.
Hall   COL   SS   Omar Quintanilla   
Buck   COL   CF   Cory Sullivan   
Howell   COL   RF   Seth Smith (?)   I've got Howell being RH, but Smith is LH.
Young   SDP   SS/3B/2B   Luis Rodriguez   
Soriano   LAD   OF   Jason Repko (?)   Soriano is listed as having no ML experience.
Weaver   LAD   P   Yhency Brazoban   
Ozuna   LAD   P   Greg Smith   
Olivo   LAD   P   Eric Stults   
Carroll   SFG   LF   Nate Schierholtz   
White   FA   2B/LF   Joe Thurston (?)   Could be Luis A. Gonzalez, but he's a RHB.
Blanco   FA   1B/3B   Howie Clark (?)   Experience is only listed as 2 years.
Wood   FA   3B   Abraham Nunez   

Sorry, couldn't get the formatting to work on phpBB.

I'd like the note that great lopez(red sox) is more likely Jeff Bailey than chirs carter. Chris Carter didn't play in the majors when this game came out and Jeff Bailey did and I think the years might or might not match up

jacobye46 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:10 pm

Also, Great Scott on the brewers is Laynce Nix who was on the brewers and now on the reds
The birth years dont match up for mel stocker so Nix is a very logical choice

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