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Not trying to get into a silly argument, because if I was making my high school team, I would probably soup up all the stats too.

But, take the worst pitcher in the game, probably all g's and f's.

He MADE IT to the pros. You guys have not. So you're saying that you're better than him. I admit that there are several COULD BE major leaguers that never tried, but I find it hard to beleive that there are people out there throwing 90's with B control that no scout has ever seen. That would be one of the better pitchers in the game.

For fielders, look at Soto. Are there people on your high school team better than him? I doubt it.

Don't let this post upset anyone, I'm just sayin....

thats a good point.
i completely agree.

yeah, i agree.

But, Wyl was talking about himself with the B control who threw around 83. Also, the Soto point isn't really a good one IMO. They base the ratings off of what the player did the previous year, and if they are younger they give them a worse rating. So, Soto only played in about 15-20 games last year and hit .389 with 0 homeruns, so they gave him really low stats since he never played much in the MLB. Now, I'm not saying the high school kids stats would be better than what konami gave Soto, I just think it's not a great arguement. If he was going to make a realistic high school team, most the batting stats would be G and the fielding and speed stuff would probably be higher for some people(if they are really fast or have a cannon). But, control I definitely see being low but stamina, while it shouldn't be extremely high shcould be higher than what you start out with for starters(around a 50). Top speed would most likely need to be raised unless you have or face some slow pitchers.

It’s been awhile since I played HS ball, but 3 of us walked-on at Pac-10 schools, another received a full-ride to a Big Ten school where he starred in football and baseball before getting drafted (absolute stud), and 6 or 7 more played JC ball. I’m counting ALL of my teammates from my sophomore through my senior seasons, and we were ranked #1 in the state at some point during all three seasons. Our two rival high schools were similar, except 4 or 5 guys between them got drafted and 2 of them got a brief taste of the show. There were 2 or 3 other guys within the conference that ended up getting drafted, one who stuck in the majors for about 5 years.

So unless you play in an absolute baseball factory of a conference somewhere in SoCal or Florida, chances are nobody on your high school team will ever make it to the Majors. In fact, most teams would be fortunate to have a single player drafted or given a full-ride scholarship to a prestigeous D1 school.

As for dishing out abilities, I agree that you probably want the team to be playable and fun. But if you are going for realism, 99% of school hitters would be lucky to even foul off a Major League-caliber fastball or slider. Likewise, even a great high school pitcher with a 94-mph fastball would get absolutely barbecued by Major League hitters. It takes unbelievable command and control and deception to get outs at the Major League level. Same goes for stealing and defense, but to a slightly lesser extent for some. The amount of experience and strength and knowledge a player gains between high school and the major leagues is astronomical.

About the drafting, I disagree with what some of you previously said. Honestly, there are guys out there throwing gas, with amazing control, yet skill alone doesn't get you to the show. In fact, I admit, it's all about knowing the right people, or being in the right place at the right time. I mean, for me, it would have been great if my JC coach was smart and didn't cut me, especially because Chase Krukow (Mike Krukow's son) plays for our team. Honeslty, don't mean to sound like I'm great, but I'm definitly better than Chase. I have more break on my pitches than anyone in that team, by fastball has so much life, and keeps getting more lively as I learn new placements for my fingers, and I throw harder than everyone there! Except this one lefty who cruises around lo 90's, he's the only guy throwing harder, but my breaking pitches are way better.

Point is, I would have been scouted by now, but I was cut just because I hadn't thrown 2 weeks before try-outs, and even so, it's just about the people you know. You can hit breaking pitches over 300 feet anywhere in the field, but you just have to hope scouts are watching. That's why when you play collegiate baseball, you have to go all out becuase there's always at least 1 scout per team from the majors. D1, of course, it's just a step below the minors, but with say, D2 or D3, maybe even NAIA, you have to totally smash in those leagues, like hitting over .400 with at least 20-30 bombs, or having somthing along the lines of a 3.00 ERA or lower. So it's now about how good you are, it's who's watching, and when, pretty much.

Oh, I forgot to mention. When I was playing Semi-Pro baseball here in Cali, I had a few scouts watching me. Honestly, I had not pitched against live batters in quite some time during the summer, but every coach and scout who saw me, approached me afterwards saying that I had major league potential, possibly the next Lincecum since I'm only 5'8" cruising high 80's with close to major league breaking pitches. That's a perfect example, because I played in the Best of the West tournament, where all the scouts are watching over in UCSC, and in that tourny, a couple of the players on my team who were never scouted before got offered contracts for some minor league teams. One of them stayed in college while the others went right for the minors. It was a great run for them.

Let me clarify. I agree that if you're comparing stats to a major leaguer, in most categories a HS player won't fare well. It wasn't an oversight that I didn't rate my breaking pitches. While I had a well above average CB and CCHG for the HS level, I'm not delusional - in comparison to a MLB pitcher I'd get a level 1 CCHG and possibly a 2 CB. But the point of my previous post was comparing things that are more comparable. From a pitching standpoint, you can use stats like Walks per 9 Innings to judge CTRL even though it isn't a perfect comparison (HS batters are more free swingers, HS umpires generally have a more generous strike zone). From a batting standpoint, a kid who runs a 4.4 40 is going to have an A RUN SPD whether they are 17 or 27. Fielding percentage can be used to come up with a number on fielding.

Some stats are obviously more problematic. I hit .350 in HS, but .350 in HS is probably the equivalent of .150 at the MLB level. The guys in our league that got drafted or got D1 scholarships hit .500+ in HS.

But as has been said, a video game is about having fun, so I wouldn't worry too much about being "realistic."

Yeah, I made myself an A,B, with a low 90s fastball and a original pitch. Am I that good in real life? Maybe...

Right now, if I were to make a character based off of myself, realistically, I would have B stamina, C control, topping 92, with 1 2-Seam, 2 Slider, 1 Cutter, 4 curve, 2 Change-Up, 2 Split-Change, 2 Shuuto. with E contact, F power, 2 trajectory, B arm, C running speed, E field and error resistance, and that's taking away from what i can really do.

Anyways, point is, if you want to take those sorts of things into consideration, I would say just go with gut feelings, subtract a level or a point from the stats to make them more realistic if you want. I mean, that's what I would do with my team, maybe I'm being too generous with the high school players, but it'll make it more entertaining to do it like that than to just be overly real.

You know eight pitches?!?

not disbelieving you, but eight pitches? You should drop off 4-6 six of them and work on the remaining.

If I had a dollar for every message board guy who thought he was good enough to be a #3 starter in the Major Leagues right now, I would have a dollar.

Make it 2 dollars, but it's harder than that. If you dominate in high school, big deal. Doesn't mean you are major league, same for College. It's put to the test in minor league. Realistically he's probably wrong beacause he's never pitched against a hardned minor or major leaguer, so it would probably be downgraded. Of course the same is for me.

There are also injuries that can end your career early.

lol. Bolded for emphasis.