2011 MLB MVP Discussion

detroittigers15 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:04 pm

AL MVP: Verlander

AL Cy Young: Verlander
AL Rookie of the Year: Hmmmm... Trumbo, Pineda, Hosmer, or Hellickson? Too close to call, not going to make a pick here.
AL Hank Aaron Award: Granderson
AL MOTY: Not Jim Leyland

NL MVP: Kemp

NL Cy Young: Lee
NL Rookie of the Year: Seems like ROTY winners tend to lean towards being pitchers, so Kimbrel or Worley.
NL Hank Aaron Award: Kemp
NL MOTY: Gibson

test99 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:25 pm

AL MVP: Verlander
AL Cy Young: Verlander
AL ROY: Hosmer
AL MOTY: Acta

NL MVP: Kemp
NL Cy Young: Kershaw (Triple Crown Canidate)
NL ROY: Kimbrel
NL MOTY: (Sadly) Gibson

Bosox13 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:27 pm

Okay I listed my MVP picks but I'll do my entire picks

AL
MVP Ellsbury
Cy Young Verlander
Hank Aaron Bautista
MOTY Leyland
ROTY Lawrie
NL
MVP Kemp
Cy Young Halladay
Hank Aaron Kemp
ROTY Kimbrel
MOTY Gibson

philliesfan134 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:29 pm

Bosox13 wrote:

Okay I listed my MVP picks but I'll do my entire picks

AL
MVP Ellsbury
Cy Young Verlander
Hank Aaron Bautista
MOTY Leyland
ROTY Lawrie

I don't think Lawrie has enough AB to win it, but he's got some pretty good stats for a young guy.

dishnet34 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:05 pm

AL MVP: Verlander
AL Cy Young: Verlander (Could go for pitching triple crown, also)
AL Hank Aaron: Bautista
AL ROTY: Trumbo
AL MOTY: Acta

NL MVP: Kemp
NL Cy Young: Kershaw
NL Hank Aaron: Braun
NL ROTY: Worley
NL MOTY: Gibson

LightningMan117 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:58 pm

AL MVP: Granderson (This burns me to say this, but he's the closest to a triple crown on a CONTENDING team, he is Most Valuable. Ellsbury close second, A-Gon not far behind thrid)
AL Cy Young: Verlander (Haha, this ain't even close)
AL Rookie of the Year: Eric Hosmer (Can't find one a would consider a favorite, Pineda, Ackley, and Trumbo are very close)
AL Hank Aaron Award: Granderson (Kinda of duh if he's MVP
AL MOTY: Leyland (No "breakout" candidate this year, he's been good for a while. But he's the best choice over Maddon, Girardi, Francona, etc.)

NL MVP: Braun (Highest WAR on a CONTENDING team. Kemp is not the most valuable player in the league because his team is 11.5 back of the division leader, and even father back in the wild card. He deserves Hank Aaron, but his team hurt him.)
NL Cy Young: Kershaw (I do have no qualms about giving this award to literally the best pitcher in the league, because that's what this is for.)
NL Rookie of the Year: Kimbrel or Freeman (Very close, I'd probably go Kimbrel just due to the fact he's leading Saves OVERALL FOR THE LEAGUE AS A ROOKIE Non-Braves fan bias

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NL Hank Aaron Award: Kemp (Best hitter in the league, easily)
NL MOTY: Gibson (Duh pick)

Bosox13 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:18 pm

I was really tantalized by Lawrie's WAR per game, I don't think Granderson should win it because of his bad defense. I don't think being on a contending team matters because how good your teammates are shouldn't affect most valuable

PowerPro Jr · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:27 pm

Bosox13 wrote:

I don't think being on a contending team matters because how good your teammates are shouldn't affect most valuable

I think it does, to a certain extent.

AgentP · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:35 pm

If not Verlander then Young for AL MVP.

LightningMan117 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:39 pm

Bosox13 wrote:

I was really tantalized by Lawrie's WAR per game, I don't think Granderson should win it because of his bad defense. I don't think being on a contending team matters because how good your teammates are shouldn't affect most valuable

But even a robot that hits .500 with 70 homeruns and 200 rbis a year on a team like the Orioles or the A's wouldn't make them a contender. You need to contend in order to have consideration in my opinion. Granderson certainly one of the best hitters in the American league and defense as an individual is vastly overrated, read Moneyball. WAR can also be a little bit overrated just because it can be valued a bit too much in voting processes, which should still respect the traditional baseball stats and "scout" values that have been around for years. Trust me, I don't want Granderson to win as a Red Sox fan, but he is the best combination of all the things I value in an MVP candidate in the AL.

Kemp is certainly the BEST player this year as far as a hitting goes. But his team is no where near contending, and he may have made them about 8-9 games better, but that still isn't any where close to contending. The MVP should go to the player that's one of the best in all categories of the Triple Crown Hitting, on a team in the playoffs. Gold gloves, Silver Sluggers, Hank Aarons etc. go to the "best" players

PowerPro Jr · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 5:49 pm

LightningMan117 wrote:

Bosox13 wrote:

I was really tantalized by Lawrie's WAR per game, I don't think Granderson should win it because of his bad defense. I don't think being on a contending team matters because how good your teammates are shouldn't affect most valuable

But even a robot that hits .500 with 70 homeruns and 200 rbis a year on a team like the Orioles or the A's wouldn't make them a contender. You need to contend in order to have consideration in my opinion. Granderson certainly one of the best hitters in the American league and defense as an individual is vastly overrated, read Moneyball. WAR can also be a little bit overrated just because it can be valued a bit too much in voting processes, which should still respect the traditional baseball stats and "scout" values that have been around for years. Trust me, I don't want Granderson to win as a Red Sox fan, but he is the best combination of all the things I value in an MVP candidate in the AL.

Kemp is certainly the BEST player this year as far as a hitting goes. But his team is no where near contending, and he may have made them about 8-9 games better, but that still isn't any where close to contending. The MVP should go to the player that's one of the best in all categories of the Triple Crown Hitting, on a team in the playoffs. Gold gloves, Silver Sluggers, Hank Aarons etc. go to the "best" players

I dare you to post that in any baseball stats site. Please.

LightningMan117 · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:02 pm

PowerPro Jr wrote:

LightningMan117 wrote:

Bosox13 wrote:

I was really tantalized by Lawrie's WAR per game, I don't think Granderson should win it because of his bad defense. I don't think being on a contending team matters because how good your teammates are shouldn't affect most valuable

But even a robot that hits .500 with 70 homeruns and 200 rbis a year on a team like the Orioles or the A's wouldn't make them a contender. You need to contend in order to have consideration in my opinion. Granderson certainly one of the best hitters in the American league and defense as an individual is vastly overrated, read Moneyball. WAR can also be a little bit overrated just because it can be valued a bit too much in voting processes, which should still respect the traditional baseball stats and "scout" values that have been around for years. Trust me, I don't want Granderson to win as a Red Sox fan, but he is the best combination of all the things I value in an MVP candidate in the AL.

Kemp is certainly the BEST player this year as far as a hitting goes. But his team is no where near contending, and he may have made them about 8-9 games better, but that still isn't any where close to contending. The MVP should go to the player that's one of the best in all categories of the Triple Crown Hitting, on a team in the playoffs. Gold gloves, Silver Sluggers, Hank Aarons etc. go to the "best" players

I dare you to post that in any baseball stats site. Please.

I know I will get bombed if I did, and as much as I like what they're doing, Humans need to evaluate too, Theo Epstein does it with the Red Sox, read this week's edition of Sports Illustrated. True Sabermetrics are really stuck up about "how much more intelligent" they are than the average baseball fan. Stats certainly are a BETTER indicator buy 'n large than Human opinion, but Human opinion is not invalid.

BrewersFuzz · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:45 pm

Ryan Braun. He's about the only one I care about.

lanceberkman · **Posted:** Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:08 pm

NL Comeback Player of the year is the Big Puma. Nobody else has a chance.

Longball714 · **Posted:** Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:45 pm

AL MVP: Adam Dunn.

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