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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:18 pm 
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Don't forget Abreu.

Actually, there is a rumor that the Yankees signed Tex just to keep him away from the Sox. Which is possible beacause they have done this before. (When they traded Mirabelli but then got him back beacause they needed him, the Yankees admitted to trading for him just to keep him away from the Red Sox.

Don't worry Sox fans, there are plenty of other good players out there, Bobby Abreu, Adam Dunn, Pat Burrell(?), Derek Lowe (although Mets are serious contender for him). There is still many good free agents out there if the Red Sox want.

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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
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Red Sox have a good OF, they don't need outfielders. However, the avaliable ones left are OF. Anyway, Yanks needed a bat and it could be for both reasons: Keeping him away from Red Sox and needing another bat. However, they could move Ortiz back to 1st base, move Kevin to 3rd base. They would have a DH spot. Burrell/Abreu/Dunn could go to DH, well since Dunn and Burrell arn't the best of fielders.

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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
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Let's not forget that the Yankees still need to sign a 5th starter. Pettitte appears to be a lock for that spot, and he's gonna get at least 10 million. They said back in November that they were preparing an offer for Lowe as well and if the Red Sox start getting serious about him look for Cashman to try and scoop him up or at least drive up the price.


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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
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Derek Lowe and the Mets have been in some serious talks.

But if you move Youk back to 3rd where does Lowell go? Wouldn't it make sense to put him at DH?

Abreu is going to be looking for a lot of money however and I don't think he will get it.

The Red Sox are also looking for that 4th Outfielder and they need another starter.

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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
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The Yankees only need to sign a 5th starter if they are ready to give up on Hughes and Kennedy, both of whom they were sky high on this time a year ago.

About Teixeira, don't forget we're talking about a 28 year old switch hitting power hitter who is also a legitimate gold glove first basemen (as opposed to a lot of players who seem to win it more based on their offensive reputation than their defense). And he also happens to be a great clubhouse guy, a very low maintenance star player that doesn't have a prima donna attitude, and a guy who is known for a strong work ethic. Teixeira also doesn't have any injury history to speak of. He'll only be 36 when this big contract is up, so I don't at all feel like the Yankees made a mistake. Reports earlier in the off-season suggested that Boras wasn't going to take less than 10 years/$200 million for him. I don't think 8/$180mil is overpaying at all.

I'll admit to being a Teixeira fan though, obviously I watched his career develop over his first several years with Texas. Tex was drafted as a 3B (I think he was the 5th overall pick in the draft) and didn't make any waves about being moved to 1B in the minors because of the glut of 3B Texas had (Blalock in the majors and a couple of other quality 3B in the minors). He played in arguably the best infield in the majors (Teixeira 1B, Young 2B, ARod SS, Blalock 3B) and busted his rear from the beginning of the season until the end, always playing hard through a number of frustrating years when the Rangers offense seemed to score 6+ runs every night but the pitching staff usually gave up 7+. There are only a couple of negatives you can even point to with him. First, that he is represented by Boras -lol- Second, he was pretty vocal in complaining about the micromanaging Buck Showalter in the time leading up to Showalter getting fired. But he wasn't the only one on the Rangers who was worn out with Showalter.

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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
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Derek Lowe and the Mets have been in some serious talks.

But if you move Youk back to 3rd where does Lowell go? Wouldn't it make sense to put him at DH?

Abreu is going to be looking for a lot of money however and I don't think he will get it.

The Red Sox are also looking for that 4th Outfielder and they need another starter.

Red Sox could trade Lowell away for prospects, not that i know any team needs him(Blue Jays? They need a bat).
Well, Abreu drives in 100 runs for the past few years, no duh he wants money, mabye 15-18mil (He wont get that)
Why 4th Outfielder? Their outfield is well balanced in terms of defense. The offense is balanced with speed, power and more power? The 4th outfielder could play DH like Dunn or Burrell. They need someone to feel Manny's space. Bay is no where near Manny's standard. Another starter, how about Clay? So, you got Lester, Dice-K, Beckett, Wakefield, Clay.

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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
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Don't underrate Jason Bay. No, his bat isn't what Manny's is, but really ... whose is? Manny is one of the best right-handed hitters in history. There aren't many options available that will truly replace that. But then again, Bay is a huge defensive upgrade over Manny, and doesn't have the baggage. Bay is definitely an above average major leaguer, all-star quality even. The Red Sox should be more worried about whether Ellsbury will put it all together than with Jason Bay.

Moving Youkilis to 3B is a moot point now since Teixeira is off the market. It's unrealistic for Ortiz to play 1B on a regular basis though. He wasn't good defensively when he did play 1B regularly, and now he is badly out of shape and can barely run the bases even though he spends 95%+ of a game sitting on his rear end. I don't think the Sox have a lot of options as far as adding another bat in the middle of the lineup goes. I personally think that wrist injury last year aside, Ortiz is pretty close to being washed up. If they could sucker some team to take him off their hands for a decent starting pitcher they could sign an Adam Dunn or Pat Burrell to fill the DH role and also be the 4th outfielder. I like Lowell, but I think they'd be good to try to get someone to take him as well. If he was a 2B his power numbers would be fine, but they are way too diminished for a lineup that needs its 3B to put up power numbers.

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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
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Brewers owner Mark Attanasio wrote in an e-mail to Bloomberg News, "At the rate the Yankees are going, I'm not sure anyone can compete with them. Frankly, the sport might need a salary cap."


YEAH!!! Now if we can only get more owners saying MLB needs a salary cap then maybe they can finally get one!

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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
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The yankees dare to spend the money, other team don't. Boston could have easily signed Tex, but they dropped out. I admit that no team could compete with CC, but the Nationals of all teams could offer Tex so much money. This proves that MLB teams have the money, but are afraid to spend it. Some teams might have more, some teams might have less. MLB should have a minimal salary cap. So that the salary should be at least let say 60mil so that people dont complain hat yankees spend too much.

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Or other teams spend to much for that matter.

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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
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So much is being made of teams spending a lot of money. I don't understand why. It's their money. They're free to spend it as they see fit.

How about the revenue sharing system? In essense, the rich teams are supposed to give money to the poor teams. The idea mitigates the need for a salary floor, but there is no stipulation that the money received has to be used on players -- either keeping them or attracting free agents. The Marlins and Royals repeatedly keep their payrolls low and pocket the cash. So yes, you can't feel sorry for the teams that underspend.


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 Post subject: Re: teixara signs with the yankees
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The Marlins and the Royals HAVE to keep a small payroll because they don't have the resources that the larger markets have access to. If you don't think that MLB needs a salary cap then you might as well dump every small market team and move them to a larger market.

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Bud Selig is INFURIATED that they are paying almost half a BILLION for just THREE free agents. He is INFURIATED.

If the Yanks don't make playoff, they are going to be even more over luxury tax. They were 23.9million. If the Yankees don't make playoffs it's going to be tough, they aren't going to be able to sign much...

Well Red Sox, there is still Burrell!

Never liked Bud Selig any way.. Salary is still less then last years.

Annny waay, Wow! Where did that come from! Cashman offered him less then the Red Sox and Angels! That was brilliantly well done. Apparently, Texiera told Cashman, he wanted to be a Yankee all a long. His favorite player has always been Don Mattingly and he's modeled himself after him his whole career (Same uniform number, Clutch Hitting, Gold Glover).
God, you must all hate the Yankees so much. Again, where did that come from? You may hate his team, but you gotta tip your hat to Cashman.

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Bud Selig is INFURIATED that they are paying almost half a BILLION for just THREE free agents. He is INFURIATED.

If the Yanks don't make playoff, they are going to be even more over luxury tax. They were 23.9million. If the Yankees don't make playoffs it's going to be tough, they aren't going to be able to sign much...

Well Red Sox, there is still Burrell!

Never liked Bud Selig any way.. Salary is still less then last years.

Annny waay, Wow! Where did that come from! Cashman offered him less then the Red Sox and Angels! That was brilliantly well done. Apparently, Texiera told Cashman, he wanted to be a Yankee all a long. His favorite player has always been Don Mattingly and he's modeled himself after him his whole career (Same uniform number, Clutch Hitting, Gold Glover).
God, you must all hate the Yankees so much. Again, where did that come from? You may hate his team, but you gotta tip your hat to Cashman.

Amen. they are playing to win. I STILL don't like them :twisted: :lol:

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Brewers owner Mark Attanasio wrote in an e-mail to Bloomberg News, "At the rate the Yankees are going, I'm not sure anyone can compete with them. Frankly, the sport might need a salary cap."


YEAH!!! Now if we can only get more owners saying MLB needs a salary cap then maybe they can finally get one!

Didn't see that. Sorry mate, (well, as a Yankee fan, I'm frankly not, but ignore my selfishness), but it's never going to happen. Here's why:
1. Steinbrenner, one of the most influential owners, would never allow it. He would have heavy backing between influential owners of the Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers, Mets, Cubs, Detroit. and White Sox to name a few. Philly wouldn't be ecstatic either at the idea, nor would several others including the Braves and Giants.
2. The players union would never allow it. This is the biggest reason, this would more then half players salaries if it's anything like footballs.
3. Just throwing this out there. The Yankee team is great, but it's not unheard of. It's not even one of the best. The 20s Yankees, the Big Red Machine, even the 1998 Yankees were immeasurably better. It's a scary team, but there have been much more dominant teams in the game that these guys couldn't hold a torch to. That being said, it's an exellent team and I think it's the best in the game on paper, but it's not THAT good.

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