SP Jorge De La Rosa (Wii) 2008 Kansas City, later Rockies

Alloutwar · **Posted:** Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:04 am

so Jorge de la Rosa was left out of MLBPP 2008. He was in 2007, with these stats:
L/L, #36
top speed: 95
SPLT 2
SLD 1
CB 1
ctrl: 106 (F)
stab 116 (B)
Poise 2
Groundball P
Safe Pitch

The biggest question is whether his breaking pitch is a change or splitter - fangraphs has it as a change until 2 years ago when it became a splitter. It's the same pitch in terms of break and value, on their charts. A 2014 article on MLB still refers to it as a change up...really weird that MLBPP in 2007 assigned it as a split.

Eric Davis had this in 2011:

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Jorge de la Rosa , * , COL , 29 , 2 , SP , SP , 118 , 161 , Fastball Life 4, Poise 2, Dr. K, Recovery,
Jorge de la Rosa , L , 34 , 96 , 4SFB , x , 52% , .5
Jorge de la Rosa , L , 34 , 96 , SPLT , 5 , 37% , .5
Jorge de la Rosa , L , 34 , 96 , CB , 2 , 6% , .5
Jorge de la Rosa , L , 34 , 96 , V-SLD , 2 , 5% , .5

then this in 2012:

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X , 3 , Jorge De La Rosa , De La Rosa , Jorge , * , COL , P , P , 31 , 114 , 152 , , risp4 , vsl4 , , , fblife2 , , , rec4 , , , , , , , Dr. K , , , , , , , , , , 34 , 96 , 4SFB , , SPLT , 5 , CB , 2 , V-SLD , 2 , , , ,

I really like how he goes from FB life 4 to FB life 2, lol

So maybe his change has split-like movement. As for the slider, ED is right - according to fangraphs, the vertical movement (z-mov) has always been greater than horizontal movement (x-mov).

None of this makes Jorge a good pitcher. He's struggled to be average. And pitching at Coors isn't the issue - he does better at home, year in and year out, than on the road. On the road he's terrible. BB/9 is over 4 as a career average. That means in an average start (for him, under 6 full innings) he's giving up 3 walks. He was quite the strikeout guy for a few years there, so Dr. K made sense, but if I am giving him that (probably not) i would have to get durability 2 to offset it.

So I'm aiming for:
top speed 95 or 96
pretty borderline control (F/E)
pretty borderline stamina (high C, low B)
CHG or SPLT 3 (still not sure)
VSLD 1 or 2
CB 1 or 2 (a lot of X and Z movement)
Poise 2 (if its gettable??)
Vs lefty 4 (really this time, .216 avg lifetime against him)
possibly Dr K, but if I get it I'll grab another negative like durability 2
possibly recovery 4

AgentP · **Posted:** Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:12 am

would go with 96, E ctrl, low-B stam, splt 3, v-sld 2, cut 3, recovery 4, vs lhb 4

Alloutwar · **Posted:** Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:20 am

where's the cut 3 come from? and no curveball? i do see a rare cutter on Fangraphs, but it grew out later...the CB on the other hand has always been there, right?

BrewersFuzz · **Posted:** Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:27 am

I don't think you can get Poise 2 in Success... It doesn't say how to on the Wiki.

philliesfan134 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:50 am

got some scouting reports on him:

2011 wrote:

De La Rosa slings the ball from a 3/4s arm slot, and delivers a 91-96 mph fastball that has some cutting action. He also throws a slider and curve, which has been the biggest change/maybe why he's had more success with the Rockies. He is now throwing his slider more (16% from 6%) and his curve less (4% from 12%). He also started throwing his change-up more (27% last year), and it has good fade from right-handed hitters. His slider and his change are his two best pitches; his fastball has been hit hard the past 4 years. He uses his slider the most with two strikes. His biggest problem is his control, and his BB/9 rate is consistently around 4.

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Jorge de la Rosa is 33 years old, and a free agent at the end of the year. And despite what the Rockies owner thinks, Jorge de la Rosa has not “pitched great” this year. He has a 113 ERA-, a 112 FIP-, and a 116- xFIP-, making him a below average pitcher by any way you choose to evaluate his performance. His park-adjusted ERA is the same as Jake Peavy‘s, who the Red Sox are openly trying to give away. His park-adjusted FIP is the same as Kevin Correia‘s, who was a scrap-heap free agent signing a couple of years ago. His park-adjusted xFIP is the same as Marco Estrada‘s, and he’s about to get thrown out of the Brewers’ rotation.

De la Rosa has pitched well in the past, but even his decently strong 2013 season came with indicators that it wouldn’t continue. Last year, de la Rosa posted an ERA- of 81 and a FIP- of 87, but his xFIP- was 108, as he basically built his entire success around not giving up home runs. For a pitcher in Colorado, that’s a flimsy foundation at best, and not surprisingly, de la Rosa’s home run rate has regressed this year.

There was a time when de la Rosa was actually a good pitcher. From 2008 to 2010, de la Rosa threw 435 innings with an 88 FIP-/90 xFIP-, as he combined a 23% strikeout rate with a 47% groundball rate. But then he blew out his elbow, and he missed most of the 2011 and 2012 seasons while recovering from Tommy John surgery. You can see what has happened to his strikeout rate since the injury.

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He still gets his fair share of groundballs, but he’s gone from an above average strikeout pitcher to a below average strikeout pitcher, and he still doesn’t throw enough strikes. That’s not great, especially for an aging pitcher whose stuff is only likely to continue to decline going forward. And his platoon splits suggest that he’s probably best off in relief, where he could dominate left-handers and not get exposed against right-handers.

Currently, de la Rosa could best be described as a below average starting pitcher. He’s never thrown 200 innings in a season — he’s only thrown as many as 150 innings twice, in fact — so you can’t even make the innings-eater argument, or suggest that he’s helping to provide necessary rest for an overworked bullpen. He doesn’t pitch a large quantity of innings, nor does he perform all that well when he is on the mound.

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De La Rosa could be a decent pitcher but a pitcher ruined by Coors/the Rockies. He throws a quality fastball that hits 95MPH, that doesn’t get a ton of whiffs, but generates grounders. He throws a above average slider by whiffs and an above average splitter. He also stopped throw his curve after a a few bad seasons, despite also being an above average pitch by whiffs.

So we are looking at a lefty with a few above average pitches and bad numbers. I think

AgentP · **Posted:** Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:51 am

Alloutwar wrote:

where's the cut 3 come from? and no curveball? i do see a rare cutter on Fangraphs, but it grew out later...the CB on the other hand has always been there, right?

CU is curve, FC is cutter. He just started using the cutter this season but has thrown it 13.2% of the time this season compared to just 3.1% for the curve. I suppose you could add a curve but it shouldn't be very good

Alloutwar · **Posted:** Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:07 am

thanks for the reports Phillies134 - I read the middle two from Dave Cameron this morning, good writeup.

yeah since the cutter is barely a season old, im not gonna add it to him, most likely...maybe as a Sittch bonus pitch or something, if i need it. I'll go with a mediocre curve...its got a lot of movement, and generates whiffs, but 1-2 should be fine.

If I can't get poise 2, then I'll try for fastball life 2? Since it gets hit around so much.

AgentP · **Posted:** Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:08 am

Alloutwar wrote:

thanks for the reports Phillies134 - I read the middle two from Dave Cameron this morning, good writeup.

yeah since the cutter is barely a season old, im not gonna add it to him, most likely...maybe as a Sittch bonus pitch or something, if i need it. I'll go with a mediocre curve...its got a lot of movement, and generates whiffs, but 1-2 should be fine.

If I can't get poise 2, then I'll try for fastball life 2? Since it gets hit around so much.

understandable.

I'd go for FB Life 2 regardless

Alloutwar · **Posted:** Fri Aug 15, 2014 5:07 pm

Lol 5 mins in I get pickoff from the sitch arc ugh

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Alloutwar · **Posted:** Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:04 am

Done, giving up. Missed the Ben bank event so couldn't get release 2. Pitches are ok, speed 95, no blues except vs lefty 4. As good as I can get

robhallett · **Posted:** Sat Aug 16, 2014 6:58 am

You can get release 2 earlier than Ben's bank part. If you follow Patty's arc at the start. First you choose special tea at the lookout. Then go to the park next and choose the third option take a leisurely walk. With some save loading you'll get release 2 for pitchers or base running 2 for fielders. The next date which is the park you can get release 2 there.

BrewersFuzz · **Posted:** Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:44 am

Rob, you are so wise.

Do you know if you can/how to get Vs. Lefty 2 as a hitter?

Alloutwar · **Posted:** Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:02 am

Sorry, release 2 I got for my last guy (Ryan Webb). That one worked.

This time I was trying to get fastball life 2, but didn't visit ben when dad came along so they never triggered. I wasted so much time dating patty all for nothing urgh

robhallett · **Posted:** Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:09 pm

Unfortunately you can't get vs lefty 2 or lower for fielders or pitchers. You can get fastball life 2 with the tv thief. If you choose the right direction but you miss him you can get it, better chances lie with Patty's arc though with that one. If you don't bother chasing the thief if you choose the last option, you get slow starter.

Alloutwar · **Posted:** Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:54 pm

man i wish they made a new version, one where creating a characters was as simple as assigning the abilities.

Why not let you pick negative abilities to start with? Would have made life soooo much easier.

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